Theo van Gogh's Murder
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elfsI asked Omaha about this last night, and she didn't know anything about it. So, here are the details.
Filmmaker Theo van Gogh was murdered in Holland in daylight on a public street, with more than a dozen witnesses watching. His assailant pulled up in a car, got out, shot him several times, and when van Gogh refused to die from his wounds, walked up and sliced through his neck while van Gogh begged "Don't do this. Have mercy! We can still talk about this!" van Gogh was nearly decapitated. The murderer then thrust the knife, with a note, to van Gogh's chest and fled the scene.
van Gogh was the subject of death threats because of a short film he had made recently, which is available via BitTorrent, depicting an Islamic woman making prayers, while flashbacks show her non-consensual arranged marriage, rape at the hands of her brother-in-law, and punishment for "adultery". The woman is lightly veiled, and through the veil one can see her naked body, and written on her skin are the verses of the Q'ran which give men "dominion" over women.
van Gogh was only the director. He collaborated with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a prime minister of the Dutch Parliament. She is an ex-Islamic and a fierce critic of the way Islam treats women. At least two documents-- one of which the note pinned to van Gogh's body-- have said that she is next on the hit list. Ali is being sued by a Moroccan national living in Holland for "dragging Mr. van Gogh into the danger zone of her apostacy." This led one blogger to comment, "Come to Amsterdam! Our weed really is this potent!"
The Dutch police have arrested his assailant and eight others who are believed to have conspired with him. All nine were members of the El Tahweed mosque, a European sect of Islam infamous for its stated goals of creating a European caliphate and wiping out secularism. The murderer himself was apparently well-known in his community for helping young people and being a volunteer, was well-educated, spoke and wrote Dutch better than most Dutch. There is good evidence that members of El Tahweed recruit into Takir Wal Hijira, a terrorist group that specializes in sleepers, people who "look and act non-Islamic" until it is time to carry out their mission. Their goal is to create havoc by turning "the ordinary boy or girl next door" into an object of suspicion.
Since the incident, Arabic websites have published death threats against several members of parliament and other critics of the non-integrationist portions of the Islamic community in Holland. Meanwhile, Dutch television shows have argued about whether on not Mr. van Gogh "went to far in using his freedom of speech," somehow implying that he deserved it. And in a man-on-the-street interview, a reporter somehow found a Muslim fellow to admit "in my community, such murder is normal. How could it not be?"
The letter stabbed into van Gogh's chest was long and rambling, accusing the Dutch of being in "sway to the lying Jews" and a bizarre reference to pregnant camels, which I'm sure is a parable understood by Q'ranic scholars, but the letter ends with a death threat against Miss Ali and this:
I know for sure that you, Oh America will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh Europe, will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh Holland, will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh Hirsi Ali, will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh unbelieving fundamentalist, will go under.
I think that one thing we should have learned from terrorism: when they tell you that their objective is the overthrow of the state and the death of everyone not in accordance with their ideology, believe them.
Filmmaker Theo van Gogh was murdered in Holland in daylight on a public street, with more than a dozen witnesses watching. His assailant pulled up in a car, got out, shot him several times, and when van Gogh refused to die from his wounds, walked up and sliced through his neck while van Gogh begged "Don't do this. Have mercy! We can still talk about this!" van Gogh was nearly decapitated. The murderer then thrust the knife, with a note, to van Gogh's chest and fled the scene.
van Gogh was the subject of death threats because of a short film he had made recently, which is available via BitTorrent, depicting an Islamic woman making prayers, while flashbacks show her non-consensual arranged marriage, rape at the hands of her brother-in-law, and punishment for "adultery". The woman is lightly veiled, and through the veil one can see her naked body, and written on her skin are the verses of the Q'ran which give men "dominion" over women.
van Gogh was only the director. He collaborated with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a prime minister of the Dutch Parliament. She is an ex-Islamic and a fierce critic of the way Islam treats women. At least two documents-- one of which the note pinned to van Gogh's body-- have said that she is next on the hit list. Ali is being sued by a Moroccan national living in Holland for "dragging Mr. van Gogh into the danger zone of her apostacy." This led one blogger to comment, "Come to Amsterdam! Our weed really is this potent!"
The Dutch police have arrested his assailant and eight others who are believed to have conspired with him. All nine were members of the El Tahweed mosque, a European sect of Islam infamous for its stated goals of creating a European caliphate and wiping out secularism. The murderer himself was apparently well-known in his community for helping young people and being a volunteer, was well-educated, spoke and wrote Dutch better than most Dutch. There is good evidence that members of El Tahweed recruit into Takir Wal Hijira, a terrorist group that specializes in sleepers, people who "look and act non-Islamic" until it is time to carry out their mission. Their goal is to create havoc by turning "the ordinary boy or girl next door" into an object of suspicion.
Since the incident, Arabic websites have published death threats against several members of parliament and other critics of the non-integrationist portions of the Islamic community in Holland. Meanwhile, Dutch television shows have argued about whether on not Mr. van Gogh "went to far in using his freedom of speech," somehow implying that he deserved it. And in a man-on-the-street interview, a reporter somehow found a Muslim fellow to admit "in my community, such murder is normal. How could it not be?"
The letter stabbed into van Gogh's chest was long and rambling, accusing the Dutch of being in "sway to the lying Jews" and a bizarre reference to pregnant camels, which I'm sure is a parable understood by Q'ranic scholars, but the letter ends with a death threat against Miss Ali and this:
I know for sure that you, Oh America will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh Europe, will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh Holland, will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh Hirsi Ali, will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh unbelieving fundamentalist, will go under.
I think that one thing we should have learned from terrorism: when they tell you that their objective is the overthrow of the state and the death of everyone not in accordance with their ideology, believe them.
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Date: 2004-11-09 06:46 pm (UTC)Yep.
I believe it.
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Date: 2004-11-09 07:06 pm (UTC)So, a demonstration is in order: an above-ground nuclear strike at an uninhabited target within sight of Mecca. During World War II, a demonstration strike was considered near Japan, but was rejected on several grounds: we weren't sure it would work (and if it were a dud, how stupid would we look?), and we didn't have a whole lot of the bombs to play with at the time. These constraints don't bind us any more.
On the other hand, maybe that's too obvious and inflammatory a demonstration. Perhaps we should take the Israeli approach, and assassinate as many leading extremist clerics as we can find, in one fell swoop. A biological in their mosques, for example. A silent, unseen killer that cuts down the cleric and those closest to him.
Hmmm, terror for terror...
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Date: 2004-11-09 07:24 pm (UTC)both suggestions would probably have the opposite effect to your intent, and it's quite worrying that you'd think as you do. the nuclear attack would be an assault on the nation in which the target was - inflaming them. if it were portrayed as an assault on mecca, you'd also inflame all the muslims who thought the extremists were extreme - but now see that america really is as dangerous and thoughtless as they've been told. let alone the sabre-loosening that would occur in other nuclear powers as the only country to actually use nuclear weapons did it again.
assasination, particularly ones admitted to would also have the same effect - to prove to people everywhere that america is a dangerous unrestrained animal. recruitment for the various causes would rocket.
and a personal annoyance to me - can you imagine the reaction had the british done the same to irish-americans funding and supporting the ira?
hatred breeds hatred, violence violence. i don't claim to have the answers, but i think that your answers are mindbogglingly dangerous.
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Date: 2004-11-09 07:25 pm (UTC)All you need to do is flip it around. "Al Queda will carry out a demonstration nuclear attack at a uninhabited target near Washington, DC. Then they will assassinate diplomats at U.S. embassies."
An eye for an eye leaves the world blind.
Yes, the only way to deal with the extremists is to kill them. But the elegant way to do it is to make it look as if they killed each other in faction fights, so that the endless trail of revenge-killings results in additional collateral damage to them and not you.
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Date: 2004-11-09 09:23 pm (UTC)What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-09 10:08 pm (UTC)So - first things first - I'm not Dutch. But I'm married to a Dutchman, and we watch Dutch tv news occasionally, and watched rather a lot of it around the time TVG was murdered.
And a further disclaimer: my Dutch is rather shaky. I'm pretty good at understanding it, but I had to double-check with my in-house interpreter (he *is* an interpreter, as well as a translator. That's what we each do, professionally) to be sure of what I was hearing.
And - while this doesn't condone murder or any other violence - I have to say that TVG spoke in terms as inflammatory as possible about Islam. He wasn't just hating it, he was actively baiting Muslims. Things equivalent to using the N-word for persons of color, and general hatred and belittlement of all Muslims, for behaviors that are the province of some few of them.
Note: this doesn't condone murder. It speaks, perhaps, of the high passions operating around the world and specifically in Europe, in the countries where a growing Muslim population threatens the indigenous ex- or currently Christian one. Countries where intolerance of others and otherness is just below the surface, and where the boundaries of tolerance are being stretched beyond recognition for the formation of the EU, the common currency, etc.
As far as I can tell, Islam isn't about overthrowing non-Muslim states, not about world domination. The people using terrorist tactics and a strategy of terrorism use Islam much as Bush uses Christianity - as a peg to hang their ideology on. Or as Hitler used his version of Paganism. Paganism didn't lead to what Hitler did - Hitler did. He just draped a state religion over his goals.
So I guess my issue with your post is that you don't identify who "they" are when you talk about what "they tell you" - and that the lack of identification smacks too much of anti-group-of-people - a path that has led humanity down into the depths of hell. (See Japanese internment; see treatment of Chinese in B.C. and everywehre along the West Coast of the U.S. See treatment of Gypsies and Jews in WWII. See... ...see history, in all its gore.)
Maybe our generation will avoid that pitfall. And maybe our daughters' will.
(Oh, and a clarification about the reference to the Jews: Amsterdam prides itself on its Jewish connection. Many, many words in the local dialect/slang derive from Hebrew/Yiddish. This just possibly might be seen as another slight to people who define their politics in terms of the Jewish/Arab conflict. That doesn't make it ok to kill people. But it does explain why someone who dislikes the political stance they see as Jewish could find the Amsterdam Jewish-speech-adoption mannerism as very irritating. I don't know anything about the camels, though.)
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-09 10:27 pm (UTC)Your telling is, frankly, wrong.
Islam is *all* "about overthrowing non-Muslim states".
It's one of their highest laws, primary commandments, and is the very basis of the name "Islam". The "peace" that the word "Islam" translates into is not "peace" in the western understanding. It's the "peace" of social, doctrinal, and religious unity, were everyone is either Muslim, Dhimmi, or Dead.
I would rather nuke the world than let dar-al-Islam spread into the west.
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-09 10:31 pm (UTC)It goes like this:
"They can talk for hours about how wrong it was to kill babies, busboys, businessmen, receptionists, janitors, fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers - and then they lean towards you, eyes wide, and they say the fatal word: But." source
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-09 10:46 pm (UTC)I don't have a solution.
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-09 10:49 pm (UTC)I wouldn't. I can't even call a truce - your solution leaves me dead. Mine leaves us all, worldwide, fighting terrorism. Neither is a good place to be.
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-09 10:54 pm (UTC)Islam wishes to go the same path. A pox on both their Kingdoms - but mass death by radiation seems rather more extreme than religious intolerance.
With this perspective, are you still eager to nuke the world?
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-09 10:59 pm (UTC)The Caliphate is one of them.
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-09 11:02 pm (UTC)"Engaging" in a "conversation" between cultures is not a solution. That's been tried.
Given them a pile of money is not a solution. That's been tried, too.
Treating is as a law enforcement problem is not a solution. That's also been tried, as well.
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-09 11:04 pm (UTC)But you don't have to buy the rhetoric - certainly not at the price of the whole world being nuked. (You have the power - you're the sovereign of the sole superpower, the nuclear overlord; I take the threat very seriously.) Nor do you have to roll over and accept that fate. But, hey, easy on the red buttons, will you?
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-09 11:38 pm (UTC)Israel has been under attack that falls under the general heading of "terrorist" since 1967 or so (the attacks before '67 were about halfway split between military attacks and farmers trying to get back to their homesteads). Its response has been to arrest every male aged 14 and up who shows leadership, to demolish the homes of every family connected with a person accused of terrorism (no proof required; errors inevitable). The net result: escalation to the point of civil war.
I'd hate to see the US take that path. But I'd hate even more to have the whole world nuked for lack of creative attempts. I love this country, this funny union. I love our culture, our attempts at ethics, our celebrations and ethics. No, no Samsoning my beloved homeland.
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-09 11:49 pm (UTC)The muslim world still resents the smashing (their view, in more honest terms, it collapsed under it's own weight) of the last Caliphate. The reason why so many Muslims supported Saddam, despite his secular stance, was he was the last great hope for a risen Caliphate.
With the right intonation, the word means the ideal Caliphate, the one that completely spans and covers the entire globe, a World Govenment, worshipping Allah and imposing Shar'i everywhere.
That's a fate worse than death.
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-09 11:55 pm (UTC)Dhimmi had to pay a special tax, were forbidden many jobs, were second class citizens before the law (unable to testify against Muslims, etc), and were to be kept "subdued".
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-09 11:58 pm (UTC)I will speak more gently then is deserved, and observe that such reporting and "widely held opinions" are very often, well, not true.
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-10 12:10 am (UTC)Saddam was a secular leader. He added Arabic text to the flag of Iraq rather recently (after Gulf War I? I don't recall when, offhand) by way of trying to align himself with a growing population turning to religion in their desperation.
The meaning you ascribe to Caliphate (context, not intonation, being the key element) is identical to the Christian notion of world domination. Worshiping Jesus all around. Ask any missionary about their goals - you'll get the straight dope.
The Sharia (not Shari, as far as I know, that's a North African river) is actually a flexibly code of law, based on precedent, much like the system we're under. It has been horribly abused, but so has every system of law (the selection of Bush for his first term comes to mind). The Soviet Union had a constitution that sounded far loftier and more benevolent than ours.
How laws and systems are worked out in practice is about people and cultures, not words and how they're arranged on pages.
Ad hominem?
Date: 2004-11-10 12:16 am (UTC)In fact, I am still up-to-date on the Israeli culture. I read Israeli newspapers in Hebrew every evening (they're 10 hours ahead of us - I'm in your time zone, a couple of hours north, just south of the border) - as well as reading research about the culture and history on a regular basis.
But by making an ad hominem assumption about the sources of my knowledge - you've sort of asked to end the argument, I think. (Anyhow, it feels kind of unpleasant to be doing this in another person's journal - sorry, Elf!)
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-10 01:17 am (UTC)Big Difference.
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-10 01:20 am (UTC)All I've been trying to say is: there are other options beyond nuking the planet or acting randomly against groups based on their religious beliefs.
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-10 01:51 am (UTC)LJ sucks, sometimes
Date: 2004-11-10 01:54 am (UTC)I had a wonderfully written and clarified reply, and lj ate it.
I had a short, terse entry stating that, and lj ate it.
I am now too upset to say much else. I am utterly amazed at how efficiently computers help us lose data, with nary a trace. *sigh*
Re: LJ sucks, sometimes
Date: 2004-11-10 01:56 am (UTC)Re: Ad hominem?
Date: 2004-11-10 12:42 pm (UTC)“I’m sorry Elfs.” First of all, Fallen wasn’t misreading anything. What Credentials, makes you superbly knowledgably on what you believe in.
I’m American Mix breed – Irish/Sicilian/Cherokee = hot temper basket case. I was born in Colorado, I’m 3o years old. I see more than most American care to admit or claim. I know American People more than your credential on your studies within the culture.
Quite frankly every country is two faces with conspiracy. Hidden truth to what they consider a ‘Need to Know’ only Government Clearance Status will KNOW. For the fact it bases on to protect from mayhem upon the country.
There for what you don’t know, won’t hurt YOU. Every place in the world, no matter what creditable knowledge you may have, you really don’t know the whole truth within the capitalism and hidden lies. For the information is being control and monitor. Saddam was a dictator and he was the equivalent of 'A Hitler', if it suits him and his profitable gain. He’ll find away to obtain it for himself.
Some will agree that Bush isn’t too far behind, if he continues to ignore certain issues.
The Islamic fate is the equivalent to Charlie Mason tripping on Acid, when a religion over sees the government and have more of control and it’s people = brainwash rabid fools, that is Mayhem/Nazism/ are over load on PCP to even think to control a government by religious belief with a occupancy of 'MAN' that has an opinionated mind / a involuntary thinking process and sometime it's a selective process and that is when they ignore being diplomatically with poise. It seldom causes wars. By Forcing your selective thinking process on those who don’t want to be pressure in believing your way is the right way.
Now you may judge this post completely rude an overly opinionated, but that is the whole point,
You can’t control people, the culture, how the majority of the people think in how a country should live or be ruled or by whom. If the people chooses to cry for help and by another country like ours to intervene and offer their assistance. Now that how you over throw a dictator a mix drinks of explosive toward another country to help over power. For their religion, 'Islamic' and the rabid preachers brainwashing them to take control for what? Money - to consider what they believe is supreme over all other option of faith.
I'm sorry what I see is Islamic maybe the a rabid pit compare to Christianity, if America continue going the way it is....well dam Islamic and Christianity is droppings acid together in thinking that the chosen religion is the main foundation of it's own Country when other 'Man Kind' would beg to differ.
I’m sorry the ‘Islamic’ faith is no better than Christianity for the fact the people with in the religion will only hear and read a one sided selective material for they are being led to believe in that way, instead of freely questioning it with out fear from the Preacher or the Dictator.
This is just my opinionated mind, don't take it too harshly. I have nothing against the Islamic faith only those use bring it into war or perceiving it as a vision to kill for Allah!
I will miss you, I have always had the love for you.
Date: 2004-11-10 01:36 pm (UTC)Look out on a summer's day with eyes that know the darkness in my soul
Shadows on the hills, sketch the trees and the daffodils
Catch the breeze and the winter chills, in colors on the snowy linen land
Now I understand what you tried to say to me
How you suffered for you sanity How you tried to set them free
They would not listen they did not know how, perhaps they'll listen now
Starry starry night, flaming flowers that brightly blaze
Swirling clouds in violet haze reflect in Vincent's eyes of chine blue
Colors changing hue, morning fields of amber grain
Weathered faces lined in pain are soothed beneath the artist's loving hand
______________________________________
And
Baby Blue 2001 I feel you, I will miss the gift that you had, and your words will live with in my heart. I’m so turn apart, buy this news. I didn’t know for I have been keeping my nose to my path in life. I came on this man’s journal for personal high with his personal writings, when I got glimpse of what he had written sorrow and aguish over took the hurt within. You will be miss, I’ll cherish thy words the mood of colors that flow from your creative passion and the work between you and your brother. You both fed off each other as brilliant creative minds.
Now I’m left Crying, and pit on the man that slay you to death. Rumors on how, I really don’t care, or need another nightmare to imagine the pain you must of went through. What really matter is, I’m left with tears.
The love that those have of your mind, carry on. With droplets of tears and fears of the nation and world become. I glad your gone for your words won’t be spoil with hatred from such a beautiful man.
Ciao`
Re: A little bit of (Dutch) balance here
Date: 2004-11-10 02:36 pm (UTC)In my eyes, he was decapitated...his mind - creativity is gone. His heart of the love of words has drain from the blood that dripped from his soul. It will never more is told....
He was opinionated towards a rabid faith, that doesn’t believe in thy fate but the misleading of the preaching of their preachers. The say that they fight for Allah, no, they fight for a dictator and its preachers. Women were mistreated – Slaved.
All Islamic Faith that think that they fight for Allah should be burn to the stake. For Allah didn't put the opinion in their minds, it was those who taught them wrong. When a man speaks his mind and question his belief has the right to do so. Yet in that country and few others, speaking against which you know in your heart is wrong, your kill – murdered.
There is no limit to freedom of speech – only limit there is from those who put a limit on our freedom to create. Sound like your trying impose in slavering my rights be creative in a suggestion there should be a limit….I spit on you. I curse your blood for thinking or in round about way suggesting he had it coming….I sorely disagree. He didn’t deserved it for some idiot with rabid blood, that knew that the truth hurts for how his people in slaved and miss-treated the women.
Wrong with the for told of truth of Submission - it happens, it's for real - it has happen in a lot of dictating countries. That still have arrange marriages, to I when a women is force to married someone against their will, lay with a man she doesn’t love….That MY SIR is RAPE.
My opinion...if Allah did order their people to kill and rape - and I highly dought it...then their lord is a PIG. Those who fight for Allah and not for them self are Rabid PIGS.
My opinion are my own, that my sir...no one will take away.
I haven't seen your Dutch Balance...their is no balance with in a death of the greatest man. The balance is gone for the love of word will no more flow.
Have good day for to I will cruse your blood in thinking that he had it coming for speaking the truth.
Freedom to express your feeling hasn't been ban yet or limited.
Re: LJ sucks, sometimes
Date: 2004-11-10 08:50 pm (UTC)I tend to give most computer systems two strikes, assuming what I'm trying to say isn't important, or one strike if what I'm trying to say is rather long. Or longer than I want to re-type, anyway.
FYI.
Re: What it looks like from a Dutch(ish) perspective
Date: 2004-11-10 08:52 pm (UTC)Hell, let's just kill everyone with any sort of view about religion. It could save us a lot of grief in the long run. :)
Balance is obsolete
Date: 2004-11-11 04:03 am (UTC)To distinguish the alleged Fact and Lie = Press/ propaganda
Question = Who controls them ? How can we get actual fact?
Reason = Have it be Read > Theory = To in store freedom of Expression. To make people see the level of concern, crying for help with in their screams of fear of hopelessness.
Ok, Have it your Way = your weakness to see. I was metaphorically expressing my poet of jester within. Exaggeration = your wrong to note that towards a creative writer. It’s moods of colors to have thy readers feel with in his (Elfs) soul. Pluse mine way of expressing.
As for muslims deserving to burn at the stake, please realize that each faith has its rabid fundamentalists. Christians are no better than muslims when it comes to fundamentalism. Fortunately fundamentalists are a minority in both the Islamic and Christian faith, as are those who make their own interpretation of what the faith is all about. Some Christians have corrupted their own religion for reasons of power, fundamentalism and politics just as much as some Muslims have.
So maybe it's not such a good idea to judge a faith by the behavior of its fundamentalists.
Each faith = two face = One faith is involuntary thinking (Being peach to / Brain washing)
Second side of a faith is Selective thinking (Freedom to view freely and question it. Without fear of disobediences…or watching your back.)
True religion is ‘man’s’ owe views and he/she silently keep it hidden. For it’s theirs - you choose freely on whom you speak to, there is no right label. Divine = Unity = spirituality with in you. It’s kept to yourself.
Politics + Religion = Power hunger hypocrites fundamentalism + Nazism = one view that walk down a narrow tunnel – your freedom has been rape upon you into slavery. (Subtract) spirituality = Rabies in your eyes are Closed on the point to focus on what has been program to be viewed by a preacher. They're (all in close) temples / Churches must be burn – to save the openness of freedom to choose on our own.
I say burn them –
My opinion = your faith should be silent must be practice within your own home (Family Bond) = No more WARS. No more visible faith or hate crimes.
In closing, let me say that "fear leads to hate, hate leads to anger, anger leads to suffering"... and ignorance leads to fear. Both sides of this global conflict are totally oblivious about what's going on at the other side of the line. But then it's easier to condemn than to learn, so I guess I'm not all that surprised.
Politics = Cause Fear/Hatred/Suffering/murders/Domination/Reaping others rights in to slavery to be force to live others ways. = The Government is should be destroy if we all can’t have the freedom to live our own chosen ways. (Religion + Alterative living)
In closing, Politics has no right to be a part or should be discuss to gain votes, it has no foundation with in theology or alterative faith = religion/Lifestyles or our freedom in how we live our everyday lives.
Those who think it should be part of a political arena should be decapitated in thinking that way and should be destroy for it only causes a nation – our community to be divided with in hatred towards each other. = Segregation
Is what I believe and see...or feel at this moment.= opinion
Re: Balance is obsolete
Date: 2004-11-11 05:36 pm (UTC)I say Burn them = All in close Faith = churches /Temple /Covens / Grove that are practice in public view.
All religion should stay at home / In your own back yard, should only be share with your own. NO to preaching to other for not all will believe what you believe.
Result = No hate crime – No War
Just hate everything that is Not Us. = Obsolete for Hate would be no more. Plus I hate everyone equal. Why Human race has become ‘A Mass Destruction’, A Weapon in destroying beauty upon this world.
That should put he world in order
He you mean 'God' as in reference as a male? God or your God is just mythological lore. It was something that the human race thought up to answer the mysterious question.
Mysterious Question = How was the world created?
It’s your god you speak of – not every ones chosen your lord or interpreted the same as you do. Technolly your saying ‘ he (his) world in order’ , To I – this world only belong to you.
So let’s start battling – let’s have a war of our own. …..I don’t know you physically but mentally I will pretend and imagine. Let’s meet in our sleep as we dream. It will be heroic nightmare between you and me. Bloodshed – Screaming – torching, oh my.
Bring yourself self – your lord – your world, I will do the same…..we’ll disagree upon each other faith – beliefs. One of us will come out a wake at the end.
For your reasonable thinking that you or I are the Supreme Being.
That's how wars and hate crime begin.
light reading
Date: 2006-02-07 09:16 am (UTC)Surah 115: The Pig
Bismillah:
The hurried flight of the Hegira had led the Muslims to a fertile oasis, where they were at last safe from their many enemies in Mecca.
Pausing, each thanked Allah the moon-god for their good fortune.
Assembling at a long table, they enjoyed rare delicacies brought by bare-breasted sirens whose faces were veiled. During the feast Muhammad sternly forbade his disciples to partake of pig flesh, while fondling the youthful breasts of a Nubian girl named Sheba.
Obeying the Prophet, the pilgrims partook of the succulent flesh of jackals and vultures, washing their food down with strong wine.
“I never dreamed I’d have to eat the loins of a jackal, let alone the bitter entrails of a cursed vulture,” observed a hungry pilgrim named Ahmed to a fellow Muslim, choking on the unpalatable morsels.
“Neither did I, but the Holy Prophet has ordered it,” grumbled another starving follower, almost heaving as he consumed greasy vulture flesh.
“A rancid pork chop would taste a hell of a lot better than this crap does,” retorted Ahmed.
“It’s an acquired taste brother, you’ll get used to it,” spoke up another, smiling with a mouthful of rotten teeth.
“I don’t think so,” said Ahmed, forcing down a burned jackal testicle.
An uncaring Muhammad, famished, greedily wolfed down roasted jackal in enjoyment, quaffing from an earthenware wine carafe on occasion, while choosing which of the sirens that would soon endure his favors.
The meal finished in the late afternoon, a drunken, lustful Muhammad initiated a sex orgy with the sirens, the debauched Holy Prophet, Allah speaking through him, declaring all earlier betrothals or marriages of the women he knew null and void.
The Muslims celebrated their good fortune, again thanking Allah for the bounty they had been blessed to receive.
Later, as Muhammad sat half-naked under a palm tree, masturbating to the thought of molesting little girls, Ahmed chanced by and remarked, "Oh great prophet, why does Allah say that we cannot dine on delicious porcine flesh?"
"Why?" asked Muhammad, closing his filthy, tattered, moth-eaten robe, "Because Allah's younger retarded cyclops brother is a pig, and Allah doesn't want us killing his holy kinfolk."
"Allah is a pig?" asked Ahmed, staring at Muhammad.
"Of course," replied the deranged Prophet, hallucinating thanks to ingesting strong hashish minutes earlier.
"That's ridiculous, why in hell do we worship pigs?" asked Ahmed, thinking his flight from Mecca may have been the result of heeding the words of a false prophet, possessed of a capricious desert demon who delighted in seeing them consume the flesh of vermin.
"Because they're better than we are," answered a smiling Muhammad, now fantasizing about raping little boys, "Look at me, I'm little more than a lecherous child molester, thief and murderer!"
"True, but pigs can't even talk!" exclaimed Ahmed, digging a heel into the sand.
"Allah can, he speaks to me in my dreams," retorted the wildly hallucinating Muhammad, barely able to focus on Ahmed, seeing him in double vision.
"You're a madman," declared a disgusted Ahmed, "I'm heading back to join the infidels in Mecca!"
"Who cares?" retorted Muhammad, slurring his words and breaking into riotous laughter.
Prophet Muhammad, opening his robe and again reaching for his flaccid sex organ, was too occupied with masturbating his building erection to reply further, while Ahmed disappeared behind a sand dune.
"What a stupid, perverted, licentious bastard," spat Ahmed, walking off, "Muhammad is crazier than a shithouse rat!"