Theo van Gogh's Murder
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elfsI asked Omaha about this last night, and she didn't know anything about it. So, here are the details.
Filmmaker Theo van Gogh was murdered in Holland in daylight on a public street, with more than a dozen witnesses watching. His assailant pulled up in a car, got out, shot him several times, and when van Gogh refused to die from his wounds, walked up and sliced through his neck while van Gogh begged "Don't do this. Have mercy! We can still talk about this!" van Gogh was nearly decapitated. The murderer then thrust the knife, with a note, to van Gogh's chest and fled the scene.
van Gogh was the subject of death threats because of a short film he had made recently, which is available via BitTorrent, depicting an Islamic woman making prayers, while flashbacks show her non-consensual arranged marriage, rape at the hands of her brother-in-law, and punishment for "adultery". The woman is lightly veiled, and through the veil one can see her naked body, and written on her skin are the verses of the Q'ran which give men "dominion" over women.
van Gogh was only the director. He collaborated with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a prime minister of the Dutch Parliament. She is an ex-Islamic and a fierce critic of the way Islam treats women. At least two documents-- one of which the note pinned to van Gogh's body-- have said that she is next on the hit list. Ali is being sued by a Moroccan national living in Holland for "dragging Mr. van Gogh into the danger zone of her apostacy." This led one blogger to comment, "Come to Amsterdam! Our weed really is this potent!"
The Dutch police have arrested his assailant and eight others who are believed to have conspired with him. All nine were members of the El Tahweed mosque, a European sect of Islam infamous for its stated goals of creating a European caliphate and wiping out secularism. The murderer himself was apparently well-known in his community for helping young people and being a volunteer, was well-educated, spoke and wrote Dutch better than most Dutch. There is good evidence that members of El Tahweed recruit into Takir Wal Hijira, a terrorist group that specializes in sleepers, people who "look and act non-Islamic" until it is time to carry out their mission. Their goal is to create havoc by turning "the ordinary boy or girl next door" into an object of suspicion.
Since the incident, Arabic websites have published death threats against several members of parliament and other critics of the non-integrationist portions of the Islamic community in Holland. Meanwhile, Dutch television shows have argued about whether on not Mr. van Gogh "went to far in using his freedom of speech," somehow implying that he deserved it. And in a man-on-the-street interview, a reporter somehow found a Muslim fellow to admit "in my community, such murder is normal. How could it not be?"
The letter stabbed into van Gogh's chest was long and rambling, accusing the Dutch of being in "sway to the lying Jews" and a bizarre reference to pregnant camels, which I'm sure is a parable understood by Q'ranic scholars, but the letter ends with a death threat against Miss Ali and this:
I know for sure that you, Oh America will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh Europe, will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh Holland, will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh Hirsi Ali, will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh unbelieving fundamentalist, will go under.
I think that one thing we should have learned from terrorism: when they tell you that their objective is the overthrow of the state and the death of everyone not in accordance with their ideology, believe them.
Filmmaker Theo van Gogh was murdered in Holland in daylight on a public street, with more than a dozen witnesses watching. His assailant pulled up in a car, got out, shot him several times, and when van Gogh refused to die from his wounds, walked up and sliced through his neck while van Gogh begged "Don't do this. Have mercy! We can still talk about this!" van Gogh was nearly decapitated. The murderer then thrust the knife, with a note, to van Gogh's chest and fled the scene.
van Gogh was the subject of death threats because of a short film he had made recently, which is available via BitTorrent, depicting an Islamic woman making prayers, while flashbacks show her non-consensual arranged marriage, rape at the hands of her brother-in-law, and punishment for "adultery". The woman is lightly veiled, and through the veil one can see her naked body, and written on her skin are the verses of the Q'ran which give men "dominion" over women.
van Gogh was only the director. He collaborated with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a prime minister of the Dutch Parliament. She is an ex-Islamic and a fierce critic of the way Islam treats women. At least two documents-- one of which the note pinned to van Gogh's body-- have said that she is next on the hit list. Ali is being sued by a Moroccan national living in Holland for "dragging Mr. van Gogh into the danger zone of her apostacy." This led one blogger to comment, "Come to Amsterdam! Our weed really is this potent!"
The Dutch police have arrested his assailant and eight others who are believed to have conspired with him. All nine were members of the El Tahweed mosque, a European sect of Islam infamous for its stated goals of creating a European caliphate and wiping out secularism. The murderer himself was apparently well-known in his community for helping young people and being a volunteer, was well-educated, spoke and wrote Dutch better than most Dutch. There is good evidence that members of El Tahweed recruit into Takir Wal Hijira, a terrorist group that specializes in sleepers, people who "look and act non-Islamic" until it is time to carry out their mission. Their goal is to create havoc by turning "the ordinary boy or girl next door" into an object of suspicion.
Since the incident, Arabic websites have published death threats against several members of parliament and other critics of the non-integrationist portions of the Islamic community in Holland. Meanwhile, Dutch television shows have argued about whether on not Mr. van Gogh "went to far in using his freedom of speech," somehow implying that he deserved it. And in a man-on-the-street interview, a reporter somehow found a Muslim fellow to admit "in my community, such murder is normal. How could it not be?"
The letter stabbed into van Gogh's chest was long and rambling, accusing the Dutch of being in "sway to the lying Jews" and a bizarre reference to pregnant camels, which I'm sure is a parable understood by Q'ranic scholars, but the letter ends with a death threat against Miss Ali and this:
I know for sure that you, Oh America will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh Europe, will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh Holland, will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh Hirsi Ali, will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh unbelieving fundamentalist, will go under.
I think that one thing we should have learned from terrorism: when they tell you that their objective is the overthrow of the state and the death of everyone not in accordance with their ideology, believe them.
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Re: A little bit of (Dutch) balance here
Date: 2004-11-10 02:36 pm (UTC)In my eyes, he was decapitated...his mind - creativity is gone. His heart of the love of words has drain from the blood that dripped from his soul. It will never more is told....
He was opinionated towards a rabid faith, that doesn’t believe in thy fate but the misleading of the preaching of their preachers. The say that they fight for Allah, no, they fight for a dictator and its preachers. Women were mistreated – Slaved.
All Islamic Faith that think that they fight for Allah should be burn to the stake. For Allah didn't put the opinion in their minds, it was those who taught them wrong. When a man speaks his mind and question his belief has the right to do so. Yet in that country and few others, speaking against which you know in your heart is wrong, your kill – murdered.
There is no limit to freedom of speech – only limit there is from those who put a limit on our freedom to create. Sound like your trying impose in slavering my rights be creative in a suggestion there should be a limit….I spit on you. I curse your blood for thinking or in round about way suggesting he had it coming….I sorely disagree. He didn’t deserved it for some idiot with rabid blood, that knew that the truth hurts for how his people in slaved and miss-treated the women.
Wrong with the for told of truth of Submission - it happens, it's for real - it has happen in a lot of dictating countries. That still have arrange marriages, to I when a women is force to married someone against their will, lay with a man she doesn’t love….That MY SIR is RAPE.
My opinion...if Allah did order their people to kill and rape - and I highly dought it...then their lord is a PIG. Those who fight for Allah and not for them self are Rabid PIGS.
My opinion are my own, that my sir...no one will take away.
I haven't seen your Dutch Balance...their is no balance with in a death of the greatest man. The balance is gone for the love of word will no more flow.
Have good day for to I will cruse your blood in thinking that he had it coming for speaking the truth.
Freedom to express your feeling hasn't been ban yet or limited.
Balance is obsolete
Date: 2004-11-11 04:03 am (UTC)To distinguish the alleged Fact and Lie = Press/ propaganda
Question = Who controls them ? How can we get actual fact?
Reason = Have it be Read > Theory = To in store freedom of Expression. To make people see the level of concern, crying for help with in their screams of fear of hopelessness.
Ok, Have it your Way = your weakness to see. I was metaphorically expressing my poet of jester within. Exaggeration = your wrong to note that towards a creative writer. It’s moods of colors to have thy readers feel with in his (Elfs) soul. Pluse mine way of expressing.
As for muslims deserving to burn at the stake, please realize that each faith has its rabid fundamentalists. Christians are no better than muslims when it comes to fundamentalism. Fortunately fundamentalists are a minority in both the Islamic and Christian faith, as are those who make their own interpretation of what the faith is all about. Some Christians have corrupted their own religion for reasons of power, fundamentalism and politics just as much as some Muslims have.
So maybe it's not such a good idea to judge a faith by the behavior of its fundamentalists.
Each faith = two face = One faith is involuntary thinking (Being peach to / Brain washing)
Second side of a faith is Selective thinking (Freedom to view freely and question it. Without fear of disobediences…or watching your back.)
True religion is ‘man’s’ owe views and he/she silently keep it hidden. For it’s theirs - you choose freely on whom you speak to, there is no right label. Divine = Unity = spirituality with in you. It’s kept to yourself.
Politics + Religion = Power hunger hypocrites fundamentalism + Nazism = one view that walk down a narrow tunnel – your freedom has been rape upon you into slavery. (Subtract) spirituality = Rabies in your eyes are Closed on the point to focus on what has been program to be viewed by a preacher. They're (all in close) temples / Churches must be burn – to save the openness of freedom to choose on our own.
I say burn them –
My opinion = your faith should be silent must be practice within your own home (Family Bond) = No more WARS. No more visible faith or hate crimes.
In closing, let me say that "fear leads to hate, hate leads to anger, anger leads to suffering"... and ignorance leads to fear. Both sides of this global conflict are totally oblivious about what's going on at the other side of the line. But then it's easier to condemn than to learn, so I guess I'm not all that surprised.
Politics = Cause Fear/Hatred/Suffering/murders/Domination/Reaping others rights in to slavery to be force to live others ways. = The Government is should be destroy if we all can’t have the freedom to live our own chosen ways. (Religion + Alterative living)
In closing, Politics has no right to be a part or should be discuss to gain votes, it has no foundation with in theology or alterative faith = religion/Lifestyles or our freedom in how we live our everyday lives.
Those who think it should be part of a political arena should be decapitated in thinking that way and should be destroy for it only causes a nation – our community to be divided with in hatred towards each other. = Segregation
Is what I believe and see...or feel at this moment.= opinion
Re: Balance is obsolete
Date: 2004-11-11 05:36 pm (UTC)I say Burn them = All in close Faith = churches /Temple /Covens / Grove that are practice in public view.
All religion should stay at home / In your own back yard, should only be share with your own. NO to preaching to other for not all will believe what you believe.
Result = No hate crime – No War
Just hate everything that is Not Us. = Obsolete for Hate would be no more. Plus I hate everyone equal. Why Human race has become ‘A Mass Destruction’, A Weapon in destroying beauty upon this world.
That should put he world in order
He you mean 'God' as in reference as a male? God or your God is just mythological lore. It was something that the human race thought up to answer the mysterious question.
Mysterious Question = How was the world created?
It’s your god you speak of – not every ones chosen your lord or interpreted the same as you do. Technolly your saying ‘ he (his) world in order’ , To I – this world only belong to you.
So let’s start battling – let’s have a war of our own. …..I don’t know you physically but mentally I will pretend and imagine. Let’s meet in our sleep as we dream. It will be heroic nightmare between you and me. Bloodshed – Screaming – torching, oh my.
Bring yourself self – your lord – your world, I will do the same…..we’ll disagree upon each other faith – beliefs. One of us will come out a wake at the end.
For your reasonable thinking that you or I are the Supreme Being.
That's how wars and hate crime begin.