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I asked Omaha about this last night, and she didn't know anything about it. So, here are the details.

Filmmaker Theo van Gogh was murdered in Holland in daylight on a public street, with more than a dozen witnesses watching. His assailant pulled up in a car, got out, shot him several times, and when van Gogh refused to die from his wounds, walked up and sliced through his neck while van Gogh begged "Don't do this. Have mercy! We can still talk about this!" van Gogh was nearly decapitated. The murderer then thrust the knife, with a note, to van Gogh's chest and fled the scene.

van Gogh was the subject of death threats because of a short film he had made recently, which is available via BitTorrent, depicting an Islamic woman making prayers, while flashbacks show her non-consensual arranged marriage, rape at the hands of her brother-in-law, and punishment for "adultery". The woman is lightly veiled, and through the veil one can see her naked body, and written on her skin are the verses of the Q'ran which give men "dominion" over women.

van Gogh was only the director. He collaborated with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a prime minister of the Dutch Parliament. She is an ex-Islamic and a fierce critic of the way Islam treats women. At least two documents-- one of which the note pinned to van Gogh's body-- have said that she is next on the hit list. Ali is being sued by a Moroccan national living in Holland for "dragging Mr. van Gogh into the danger zone of her apostacy." This led one blogger to comment, "Come to Amsterdam! Our weed really is this potent!"

The Dutch police have arrested his assailant and eight others who are believed to have conspired with him. All nine were members of the El Tahweed mosque, a European sect of Islam infamous for its stated goals of creating a European caliphate and wiping out secularism. The murderer himself was apparently well-known in his community for helping young people and being a volunteer, was well-educated, spoke and wrote Dutch better than most Dutch. There is good evidence that members of El Tahweed recruit into Takir Wal Hijira, a terrorist group that specializes in sleepers, people who "look and act non-Islamic" until it is time to carry out their mission. Their goal is to create havoc by turning "the ordinary boy or girl next door" into an object of suspicion.

Since the incident, Arabic websites have published death threats against several members of parliament and other critics of the non-integrationist portions of the Islamic community in Holland. Meanwhile, Dutch television shows have argued about whether on not Mr. van Gogh "went to far in using his freedom of speech," somehow implying that he deserved it. And in a man-on-the-street interview, a reporter somehow found a Muslim fellow to admit "in my community, such murder is normal. How could it not be?"

The letter stabbed into van Gogh's chest was long and rambling, accusing the Dutch of being in "sway to the lying Jews" and a bizarre reference to pregnant camels, which I'm sure is a parable understood by Q'ranic scholars, but the letter ends with a death threat against Miss Ali and this:

I know for sure that you, Oh America will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh Europe, will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh Holland, will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh Hirsi Ali, will go under;
I know for sure that you, Oh unbelieving fundamentalist, will go under.

I think that one thing we should have learned from terrorism: when they tell you that their objective is the overthrow of the state and the death of everyone not in accordance with their ideology, believe them.
From: [identity profile] shunra.livejournal.com
Caliphate = homonym for Kali-fate. Kali, the wife of Shiva and the malevolent form of the Mother Goddess. A pun sort of thing.

Saddam was a secular leader. He added Arabic text to the flag of Iraq rather recently (after Gulf War I? I don't recall when, offhand) by way of trying to align himself with a growing population turning to religion in their desperation.

The meaning you ascribe to Caliphate (context, not intonation, being the key element) is identical to the Christian notion of world domination. Worshiping Jesus all around. Ask any missionary about their goals - you'll get the straight dope.

The Sharia (not Shari, as far as I know, that's a North African river) is actually a flexibly code of law, based on precedent, much like the system we're under. It has been horribly abused, but so has every system of law (the selection of Bush for his first term comes to mind). The Soviet Union had a constitution that sounded far loftier and more benevolent than ours.

How laws and systems are worked out in practice is about people and cultures, not words and how they're arranged on pages.
From: [identity profile] phred1973.livejournal.com
Ahh, but instead of "We the people" declaring these rights, and defining the government's responsibilities and powers, the USSR's constitution said "We, the government" give you the people these rights, insofar as it is convienient for the government.

Big Difference.
From: [identity profile] shunra.livejournal.com
Follow the line of argument: I don't *WANT* a Caliphate, I just think it's preferable to nuking the entire planet. What I want, the We-The-People style of government, is both what I want and what I chose to live in.

All I've been trying to say is: there are other options beyond nuking the planet or acting randomly against groups based on their religious beliefs.
From: [identity profile] phred1973.livejournal.com
I had a wonderfully written, rather longish post that livejournal just ate, and I did not have presence of mind to write it into a word processor window first. maybe I will attempt to re-write when I am not longer angry at modern computers' ability to lose data more efficiently than ever before.

LJ sucks, sometimes

Date: 2004-11-10 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phred1973.livejournal.com
everything, right into the ether.

I had a wonderfully written and clarified reply, and lj ate it.

I had a short, terse entry stating that, and lj ate it.

I am now too upset to say much else. I am utterly amazed at how efficiently computers help us lose data, with nary a trace. *sigh*

Re: LJ sucks, sometimes

Date: 2004-11-10 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phred1973.livejournal.com
I guess it didn't lose that second entry after all...

Re: LJ sucks, sometimes

Date: 2004-11-10 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woggie.livejournal.com
When one is having computer troubles, sometimes it's better to copy everything from a text file you have on your home computer.

I tend to give most computer systems two strikes, assuming what I'm trying to say isn't important, or one strike if what I'm trying to say is rather long. Or longer than I want to re-type, anyway.

FYI.

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