The Devil's Food!
Dec. 12th, 2006 01:38 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
elfsYes, it's true! Soybeans are turning our children into homosexuals!
I just... I can't think of anything to say to that. It's so unbelievably stupid, I don't know where to begin.
I just... I can't think of anything to say to that. It's so unbelievably stupid, I don't know where to begin.
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Date: 2006-12-12 09:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-12 10:04 pm (UTC)I'm amazed at the "statistic" he cites that 25% of formula-fed kids are getting soy milk. Every package of soy milk I see says "don't use as formula". I haven't checked prepackaged formula to see if its made of soy milk, but I doubt it.
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Date: 2006-12-12 11:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-13 06:06 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-12 10:25 pm (UTC)best,
Joel
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Date: 2006-12-12 10:26 pm (UTC)He was fed soy formula.
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Date: 2006-12-12 11:57 pm (UTC)Whats your opinion of estrogen-like chemical pollution?
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Date: 2006-12-13 12:00 am (UTC)But I don't think soy formula causes homosexuality or feminization of male infants.
It does cause thyroid problems - I avoid the stuff myself.
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Date: 2006-12-13 12:26 am (UTC)Why aren't you "outraged" by that? Because it's "natural" instead of coming from evil chemicla factories?
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Date: 2006-12-13 01:02 am (UTC)Exposure to soy-based formula in infancy and endocrinological and reproductive outcomes in young adulthood.
JAMA. 2001; 286(7):807-14 (ISSN: 0098-7484
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Date: 2006-12-12 10:39 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-12 10:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-12 11:13 pm (UTC)Geez! ;)
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Date: 2006-12-12 11:54 pm (UTC)And to the people upthread who've already commented, the plural of antecdote is not data, and posting your own antecdotes is pointless.
And for the crack about Asian and soy, likewise pointless. Genetic populations that historically consume a lot of soy have evolved to deal with it, exactly like and for the same reason that different genetic populations have evolved lactose tolerance.
The Usual Suspects and upholders of the Precautionary Principle are at present howling about the estrogen-like chemicals that are waste products of modern industrial chemistry, and how they are getting into the biosphere and into the human food pipeline, with probable bad effects. And yet those same people order soy milk lattes between writing their press releases...
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Date: 2006-12-13 12:04 am (UTC)You avoid eating soy because it will make you gay?
Because while eating large quantities of soy may mess up your thyroid, it ain't gonna make you sing show tunes.
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Date: 2006-12-13 12:29 am (UTC)"You missed."
The original article may have been from World Nut Daily, but he didn't make up the fact that soy is loaded with estrogen-like chemicals, and that they do estrogen-like things.
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Date: 2006-12-13 01:06 am (UTC)Re: probable bad effects
Date: 2006-12-13 07:54 am (UTC)Re: probable bad effects
Date: 2006-12-13 08:04 am (UTC)I know there are similarities, but even when I was at school it was known that insulin from different sources had differences in the structure which affected how it worked on human diabetics.
What I see in this is a chain of reasoning that seems to skip over the problem of how similar is "similar". And does living in polluted water increase the dose rate and bypass the barriers in our digestive system?
Ask a pharmacist about the problems of getting some drug chemistry past the acid in the stomach. The people doing these scare stories don't even try to answer that sort of question.
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Date: 2006-12-13 02:12 pm (UTC)Living immersed in polluted water, or, possibly more to the point, breathing through gills in polluted water, likely does increases the dose rate beyond what could occur through our digestive system.`
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Date: 2006-12-13 02:17 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-13 07:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-14 01:57 am (UTC)Nor, for that matter, is correlation==causation.
J…ein. Here, I have to disagree. Just how rapidly do human populations evolve new genes, anyway? Soybeans, as we know them today, cannot be older than agriculture itself. (Ditto corn and bananas, but that's beside the point.) So, no older than 5000-6000 years. (My guess is that soy is more recent, like only 3 millennia old, but I need confirmation.) On the other paw, how long ago did humans domesticate cows, sheep, or goats? 10,000? 50,000?
I'm leery of the whole, "Soy is teh eeevil and will make your pen0rz fall off," argument.
OTOH, I have to agree that too much soy-anything probably isn't good for you. Too much of anything isn't good for you. (Even water, drunk in sufficient quantities, will screw up your body.)
Consider that soy couldn't be more than 20%-30% of a traditional Asian diet (which, IIRC, was 70% rice). So, making soy and soy-based products the majority of what you eat is novel, and invalidates the, "but Asians eat soy!" argument.
Then there's another question: is the soybean we're eating and processing today the same as the one that Asians have been eating for millennia? Industrial food may be the real culprit here.
And note: while you can't compute statistics from a single point, you
can use it as a counterexample. And I have to wonder if you and the others are coming from orthogonal directions. They may just be providing counterexamples to perceived absolute statements, whereas you appear to be discussing matters of degree.
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Date: 2006-12-13 09:55 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-13 10:01 am (UTC)I don't see why this is so funny...
Date: 2006-12-13 02:08 pm (UTC)I find Elf *lots* more attractive. And
my sex life has improved so much! It's
like my sexual opportunities have doubled!
(um, yes, this is a joke)
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Date: 2006-12-13 03:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-14 01:57 am (UTC)