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I debated, in my last post, writing either
The contractors, Omaha and I ...
or writing
The contractors, Omaha, and I ...
This is known as the Oxford Comma debate.

This is why it matters:

I wish I could give this attribution, but nobody seems to know where it's from.

Date: 2011-10-08 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tehrasha.livejournal.com
Image blocked at work (i wonder why) but if this is the 'strippers, JFK and Stalin' example. YES!

Date: 2011-10-08 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dossy.livejournal.com
Uh, attribution is in the bottom-right of the image - aeferg.tumblr.com - specifically http://aeferg.tumblr.com/post/10290286196/grammar-is-important-kids-credit-for-original

I personally, dislike, the Oxford comma, and, prefer, the Shatner comma. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2011/06/goodbye-oxford-comma-hello-shatner-comma.html

:-)

Seriously, though, most of the examples folks use when illustrating the value of "the Oxford comma" follows this pattern:

"... Noun, ProperNoun and ProperNoun."

In this specific case, I agree, the series (Oxford) comma is necessary. However, if the last three of the list elements are proper nouns, it's not necessary:

"I went to England, Spain and France."

Or, if none of the last three elements in the list are proper nouns:

"At the grocery store, please buy carrots, mangos and limes."

What's worse is when folks use the serial (Oxford) comma before a conjunction when NOT enumerating a list, like:

"I went to the store, and bought a book." FUCK NO WRONG WRONG WRONG. This is NOT an Oxford comma, it's called WRONG WRONGITY WRONG WRONG.

*neck-twitch*

Date: 2011-10-08 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tehrasha.livejournal.com
"I went to the store, and bought a book." FUCK NO WRONG WRONG WRONG.

What if the book you bought was not at 'the store'?

Date: 2011-10-08 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dossy.livejournal.com
Good question. "I went to the store but I bought a book elsewhere."

Using "I went to the store, and bought a book." doesn't disambiguate whether you bought the book at "the store" or not at "the store," so adding the comma doesn't aid in comprehension.

Date: 2011-10-09 12:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pakraticus.livejournal.com
Too ambiguous and requires too much thought.
I propose prefix notation
(&(England)(Spain)(France))
I(&(went to the store)(bought a book))

Date: 2011-10-09 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dossy.livejournal.com
If only we could ...

Date: 2011-10-08 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fayanora.livejournal.com
Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse, and helping your uncle jack off a horse.

Date: 2011-10-08 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slfisher.livejournal.com
I'd like to thank my parents, Ayn Rand and God.

Date: 2011-10-09 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dossy.livejournal.com
Again, "noun, ProperNoun and ProperNoun" ... this is the one and only case where the series (Oxford) comma should be used, before the conjunction ...

Date: 2011-10-08 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amythis.livejournal.com
Short version: if it clears things up, add a comma.

Oh, and is it a Snape/Rickman comma, period or ellipsis? E.g.

"You, just, know"

"You. Just. Know."

or "You...just...know."

Date: 2011-10-18 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_candide_/
Oh, Elf! Thank you, and your commenters, for a hearty laugh tonight! ^_^

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