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This has to be the oddest thing I've seen all week:

//   This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or 
// modify it under the terms of ISLAMIC LAWS and GNU Lesser General
// Public License either version 2, or (at your option) any later
// version.
//
// ISLAMIC LAWS should be followed and respected if they differ than
// terms of the GNU LESSER GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE

Date: 2009-09-09 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] featheredfrog.livejournal.com
What did you see it attached to?

Date: 2009-09-09 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfs.livejournal.com
A PHP library that detected nudity in a photograph.

Date: 2009-09-09 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] featheredfrog.livejournal.com
Why do I find that so apt? or rpm.

Date: 2009-09-09 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfs.livejournal.com
I also find the 'differ than' [sic] entry interesting. We'd say 'differ from'.

Date: 2009-09-09 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dv-girl.livejournal.com
So I suppose the implication is that I may not use this software to find and collect gay porn for private viewing? Screw that.

Date: 2009-09-09 07:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lovingboth
Where? Google can't find the phrase 'ISLAMIC LAWS and GNU Lesser General' anywhere...

Date: 2009-09-09 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfs.livejournal.com
Damn, I can't find it. While Googling for it, though, I did find this:

http://www.islamicrules.org/

Maybe what he was referring to?

Date: 2009-09-09 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shunra.livejournal.com
No it's not.

Islamic Law is more like a framework within which actions are decided as acceptable or not acceptable than like laws dictating behavior.

Moreover, there does not exist any all-Islamic arbiter of acceptability. (The same can be said, I think, about any system under which more than one billion people.)

Date: 2009-09-09 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badrahessa.livejournal.com
Hey there :) Featheredfrog pointed me in your direction. He indicated that you had some working knowledge of the Django application? Is this correct?

Date: 2009-09-09 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfs.livejournal.com
I know about the Django toolkit. You write applications with it. Whassup?

Date: 2009-09-09 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badrahessa.livejournal.com
I actually have no working knowledge whatsoever of the app, i'm a lowtech kind of gal mostly *grin*

what I do have is a designer friend who is in desperate need of someone who knows django to finish up a project. Apparently the guy he was using became a total drama-llama flake and left his client high and dry. There is some sort of website that needs to be corrected ... they built the orginal site and then it had some problems so this second pc of work was to just fix the snags?

I'm probably describing this fairly poorly, I can get a better exact description if you are at all interested.

Basically, he's a great friend and he's over a barrel , I told him I would put my feelers out and try to find someone who could pitch hit and get this project wrapped up. He's really stressed out about the whole thing.

Date: 2009-09-09 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mouser.livejournal.com
Write the original author and ask if that means you're supposed to observe Ramadan (http://www.hulu.com/watch/94015/howcast-how-to-fast-for-ramadan)...
Edited Date: 2009-09-09 05:05 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-09-09 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shockwave77598.livejournal.com
I wonder where in the Quran it mentions open source software? Or closed source software, for that matter? Or software in general? How about computers at all?

Hell, I'll settle for a // about electricity :)

Date: 2009-09-09 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shunra.livejournal.com
It's helpful to see Islamic law as a sort of a constitution/framework which underlies all other laws of practicing Muslims.

The laws are particularly good ones, in that they serve to promote the survival of all members of the group by making explicit who is responsible for the care of which weak/incapable members of society (for example, fathers are responsible for the care of their kids; children are responsible for aged parents; one of the legitimate uses of the mandatory 2.5% tax is for the care of people who do not have relatives who must care for them).

Also on the books are laws against usury (or, in fact, any interest-bearing monetary system), and about the appropriate handling of work/money.

Such a system could indeed come in conflict with either copyright laws or financing laws as used in the US.

As to the idea of computers - they're just tools. Good tools, but no more than that. And "software" (in the sense of "rules and systems for use of the tools) is not a new concept, is it? You didn't need a computer to posit software (eg. Babbage, Lovelace, Turing)...

Date: 2009-09-09 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shockwave77598.livejournal.com
Saying that general rules against Usury govern computer code and its use is quite a stretch at best.

Date: 2009-09-09 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shunra.livejournal.com
I didn't say that, though.

What I *did* say is that the Islamic law is very general (I gave a few examples), and there could conceivably be things inside it that would clash with things found in the GPL.

I'm neither a lawyer nor a scholar of Islamic law. What I am, though, is totally fed up with the automatic sneer in the US about all things Islamic. There's *plenty* to criticize in all systems (I'm pretty sure Goedel's Incompleteness Theorem covers that).

Date: 2009-09-09 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shockwave77598.livejournal.com
If it's general and not spelled out, then it's not a law. It can be a "generally accepted good idea." It can be a social norm. But that's true of a number of things in our collective pasts, from apartheid to the notion that the King is annointed by God. Yet if they are not codified in the written law or religious books, then they are not laws. They are but Societal Norms and vary widely with different societies.

Me, I didn't sneer as much as I chuckled that the stringently codified Islamic law (which you yourself pointed out covers many, many books) which hasn't changed in centuries can contain sections regarding computers, software, and governance thereof. It is the same silliness I would have for Amish rules for the Internet.

Date: 2009-09-09 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shunra.livejournal.com
I apologize - I'm oversensitive, and misread your chuckle. Sorry!

As to the difference between "an Islamic law" and "Islamic law" - consider the difference between the Constitution, federal law, and state law. Something that is a law in Alabama but not in Washington is still a law - and it's a law under the same general system. Stringently coded Islamic law is a contradiction in terms: each scholar can decide what the specific terms are.

As to Amish rules for the Internet - since they seem unlikely to use electricity, they'd find it hard to use it. But Ultra-Orthodox Jews have launched their very own browser: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE55D0UQ20090614

Date: 2009-09-09 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shunra.livejournal.com
Oh, and also: the Quran is (by far) not the entire body of Islamic Law.

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