Even in defeat, I try to be entertaining

[elfs]

Well, I finally had to give up and install a household filter. Omaha will protest that this was a lot more work than it should have been, and I would be inclined to agree with her if it handn't been a simple matter of installing two pieces of software the old-fashioned way: ./configure && make && sudo make install. I had forgotten just how underpowered the household router is: it's a Pentium M, 286MhZ machine with 32MB of ram and a 4GB drive. Still, it's been an absolute rock for the past six years. But we might have to up it a bit if we're asking it to do filtering.

Part of me is convinced that this is a failure: I haven't taught my kids well enough about what's good to put into their minds, and what isn't. On the other hand, I still can't watch them all the time, even when their computer is in the den where everyone can see it. And using SARG will at least give me an idea if they're trying repeatedly to get into things that I need to talk to them about.

Don't Go There

But you know me. I can't leave well enough alone. I hated the template for the warning, so I pulled it up in emacs and edited it. Omaha and I posed for a photograph. This is what you see if you try to navigate to Fleshbot. Whaddya think?

Comments

[omahas.livejournal.com]

1) They don't have cell phones
2) They don't go to friends houses to access stuff there. In fact, it's like pulling teeth to arrange time at friends houses because they just don't seem all that interested.
3) They aren't interested in "accessing stuff that we don't want them to". In fact, that isn't the problem. The problem is them just randomly accessing stuff that we find problematic because, for example, they click on a link that takes them to a YouTube video, then clicking on another one, then another one, until they've inadvertently clicked on one that is quite totally inappropriate for a child that age.

And thank-you very much, but I prefer to review what my child has access to before she actually looks at it. Which is why I didn't like Glubble, because they didn't even have an opportunity to find something they might be interested in to ask us about first. Glubble didn't let them. This does...it just doesn't let them see it until we can review it first.

As someone who is planning on having kids...

[mikstera.livejournal.com]

and someone who has a knee-jerk resistance to censorship of any kind, what sort of filtering criteria did you end up using? Are you mostly concerned with the installation of malware, identity theft / the acquisition of personal information, or something else? Did you tell your kids you were putting that filtering in place beforehand, and, if so, how did you present it?

Re: As someone who is planning on having kids...

[omahas.livejournal.com]

Well, first off, regarding the censorship issue...do you plan on allowing your kids to watch you have sex if they want to? If the answer to that is no, then you will already have made a censorship decision. How about if they are five and want to see a rated R film cause it has a superhero character in it. Will you decided that you need to review the film first? You've just made a censorship decision. Have any "interesting" pictures of you and/or your loved one lying about that you've decided will need to be placed on a high shelf? Another censorship decision has been made.

We make censorship decisions all of the time around kids...but when it comes to the Internet, curiously we jump all up and down and call it information and freak out about not giving them access to the "freedom to expand their minds" and whatnot. I'm sorry, but kids minds don't need to be expanded that much in that short a period of time.

I'm not interested in my three-year-old coming up to me and telling me that she knows how to give a blow job and, oh btw, do I want to see (btw, this is actual experience, because of said three-year-old's mothers ideas about "censorship").

Kids don't know what is and is not socially acceptable to be doing/saying when they are under certain ages...said ages not to be set in stone, but to be figured out by individual and mental/psychological state of mind. If they think something is interesting, they will adhere to it and repeat it and even try to do it..and what they find interesting will be entirely different from what you and I find interesting. They have to be taught what is acceptable to try out at what age levels and when.

To answer your questions directly, at the moment we used the default filtering criteria that had come with the dansguardian set, I think I've already addressed your second question (both in this post and other comments I've made in this thread), and yes, we have told them about the filtering. In fact that was the reason we installed the Glubble software in the beginning. We had told them where they were allowed to go and where they weren't, and said that if they wanted to look at something that was on the no list they could come ask first. Asking wasn't a priority, so they lost that privilege. The Glubble software, however, didn't even allow the ability to ask in the first place. We were trying to find a good median in between.

Re: As someone who is planning on having kids...

[mikstera.livejournal.com]

I get the impression you thought I was somehow criticizing your decision to install filtering software. I wasn't, and apologize if it came out sounding that way. While I may have a knee-jerk objection to censorship, I also recognize that there's material for which kids lack the context or experience to deal with.

I simply wanted to know how you implemented your decision to filter.

Re: As someone who is planning on having kids...

[omahas.livejournal.com]

I'm really sorry, because I wasn't intending that the response be perceived as responding to a criticism. Basically, I just wanted to show that (1) we are always making censorship decisions and the kinds that we end up making and (2) the kind of censorship/filtering we do for our kids really comes down to individual situations and how we perceive our kids can handle said situations.

The ending may have especially come across as being sharp, and I'm sorry...I was actually getting in a hurry, as I saw that I was going to be late for my bus and I was trying to get my thoughts out as quickly as possible. Heh.

If you are asking about how we decided about using this *particular* kind of filtering software, well that comes down to having tried to use Glubble and found it totally lacking in what we wanted...which was to allow the girls to have the ability to do things like searching online, while still not allowing them to access the actual sites that they found that might not be appropriate, and yet allowing them to talk to us about getting access anyway.

Glubble allowed for the conversation (in a very difficult manner) but there was no ability to, for example, search using Google or any other search tool. If you didn't already know where you wanted to go (and thus, one would perceive, most likely already have the permission) you couldn't find out about it/explore it to get the permission in the first place. And that just didn't work for us. Nice UI though. :)

I read a great review of Glubble that mirrored my views about it and then in the comments everyone lauded Dansguardian and OpenDNS (which we haven't implemented yet). So we decided to try it out, and it seems to do exactly what we want. So we'll see if it works, alter the filters over time as the kids get older, etc, and hope that it does the things we needed.

But I do believe that making sure the kids know that the filtering software is in place and why is absolutely essential. That is making them a part of the process of protection and exploration. They understand why this is happening, and more importantly why it will change over time and how they can feel empowered by it, rather than restricted by it.

Hope this helps and comes off as not being nasty. :)