A worldview I don't understand: "There must be violence against women."

[elfs]

Just when you think the world can't make you feel any more ill, you find an article like Maged Thabet al-Kholidy's great turd of logic, The must be violence against women.

The article is basically a rehash of the Quranic tradition; women are allowed to refuse their husbands' sex, but men are allowed to beat women for their disobedience. He rails against "human rights groups" that don't understand that "there are instances when violence against women is a must." He says that fathers and brothers sometimes "must" (and he doesn't even say this with regret!) "use violence against daughters or sisters via any means that suits the mistake."

According to human rights organizations, women should complain to the courts about any type of violence against them. Likewise, should fathers and brothers complain to police if their daughters or sisters violate moral, Islamic or social norms?

Fathers should handle their daughters via any means that suits their mistake; thus, is it better to use violence to a certain limit or complain to the police? Shall such women then complain to the police against their fathers or brothers? It's really amazing to hear this.

How about, asswipe, not insisting that the women in your life be little breeding robots who must conform to your whim and obey you without question. If you wanted that, why don't you just build them yourself?

I'll tell you why: because people with this mindset can't. This primitive, vicious, hideous twisted parody of human concern has no capability to create a civilization concerned with human well-being. Beat your wives into submission and Allah is supposed to take care of all those complicated things like health care and industrial policy and foreign investment concerns.

Frack. Y'know what I really hope about 2009? I hope that our next president comes to understand that Islamicism is unimportant. Really, it is. They might do damage, they might hurt a few people (even a lot of people), but they're doing nothing more than fantasy ideology. While the United States stays in a hideously expensive pissing match with a culture that more deserves to collapse into the dust of history, China, India, and the rest of the world have gotten one with the grown-up activities of becoming economic powerhouses and even cultural centers.

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[elfs.livejournal.com]

Y'know what's really head-banging?

"The Yemen Times was founded in 1991 by Professor Abdulaziz Al-Saqqaf, a leading economist and human-rights activist, who was also its editor and publisher until he died in a traffic accident in 1999. In the paper's mission statement, he wrote that: 'We use the Yemen Times to make Yemen a good world citizen.'"

The editor in chief is a woman. [Cite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen_Times)]

I can only imagine that this article exists strictly to create attention.

[hydrolagus.livejournal.com]

It's not so much a matter of Islam in particular as the invocation of its name in order to justify a warped, nasty approach to treatment of women. (Progressive Islam takes a rather different tack on the role of women.) There are "Christians" in the U.S. that would use the same argument if it were re-costumed for their religion, and until recently (and probably still, unfortunately) folks invoked a mangled interpretation of science as proof that females weren't biologically capable of self-guided moral behavior. Powerhungry pathetic shits will always find some way to tell themselves they're right.

[antonia-tiger.livejournal.com]

What catches my eye is the starting point of equating violence (against women) with breaking social rules (by women). So there's the writer saying nobody would call in the Police over one, so why should anyone do so for the other, snd your humble reader is screaming, "because they're different, you moron!"

[doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com]

This is how I would teach the moron the difference:

1. Piss on the floor.
2. Order the asshole to rub his face in it.
3. When he refuses, smash his nose with a brick.

[gromm.livejournal.com]

This part really made me roll my eyes:

Likewise, should fathers and brothers complain to police if their daughters or sisters violate moral, Islamic or social norms?

Uh, yes? If you expect to create a society of laws, rather than one wherein might makes right, and matters of honour are settled with pistols at 20 paces (or gangs wielding machetes). And if you expect to create a society where it's wrong to beat defenceless children to death.

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

Y'know what I really hope about 2009? I hope that our next president comes to understand that Islamicism is unimportant. Really, it is. They might do damage, they might hurt a few people (even a lot of people), but they're doing nothing more than fantasy ideology. While the United States stays in a hideously expensive pissing match with a culture that more deserves to collapse into the dust of history, China, India, and the rest of the world have gotten one with the grown-up activities of becoming economic powerhouses and even cultural centers.

"Snubbing" is not a viable strategy in dealing with enemies who are willing and able to use extreme violence against one. You can turn your nose up at a nuclear missile because you despise the launcher, but that won't help you survive the detonation.

[fallenpegasus]

No, it's Islam in general and in particular.

Islam has no room and not provision for tolerance, or for change.

[elfs.livejournal.com]

Arguably, neither does Christianity. A close read of the Bible can lead one to a totalizing worldview with no room for dissent, or to quote the authentic Christian version, "error has no rights."

Nonetheless, Christianity has mostly mellowed. Not without a lot of bloodshed, sadly, and the same will be true of Islam.

[fallenpegasus]

I am unwilling to wait. And certainly not until one of them gets a nuke.

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

The real question is "Are we going to allow the fear of a bomb and a wacky cult to dictate the future of American history."

Since the fear comes from a real threat, simply ignoring the threat will not prevent it from materializing. The threat must, instead, be defeated. Mere contempt for it is not enough.